Amen. In another area, it might be used to groom someone and use vulnerability as a mechanism to draw people into something that is corrupt. You have to have a strong culture of accountability. And if youd like to find me online, just go to JulieRoys.com. You know, Hybels daughter had her own book on Oprahs book club. And what lessons can we learn from Willow Creeks mistakes? The outside investigation report said something along the lines of, Bill Hybels hundreds or thousands of emails with this woman were, not available. Well, as it turns out my understanding from talking to witnesses, those emails were actually destroyed. Through Petes teaching on Sundays and through various conversations with other staff members during the week, God shifted my perspective on what it means to live life in Christ one from my own efforts to please God to one of Christs efforts on my behalf to love me deeply, extravagantly, and permanently. You formed a nonprofit corporation. Can I talk about Scot McKnight for a second? They didnt have the ability to move quickly. Great! WebLearn More About Pete Today - Pete Briscoe God loves you to distraction, There is nothing you can do to make Him love them more or less, And, that Life with this Lover God is rich beyond description, regardless of your performance. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. Julie, it is great to be with you again. And that was how Bill deformed his accountability structure. I Like so many of you, I love Pete. I dont think that theres anything at a mega church that innoculates it from being good. However, there should be a bubble level of character in Christ that we return to. So appreciate. Manipulative theatrics. So glad to see you feature Mitch Little. And I think you hit the nail on the head. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. Their board operated by unanimity as well. Briscoe stepped down as senior pastor at the end of 2000 but remained involved in the church and active in overseas missions. Honestly, without being a part of the Willow family at any time, I saw Bill as the best Christian leader I had encountered, by far. Its something like Child Protection Policies. That to me, is a corruption of the role. It is a collection of people. Do we have a theology of goodness at our church? And there was also a service at WC where the board interviewed him and was he was questioned about an affair. Its not okay. I mean, you dont need to be trying to fit a round peg into a square hole, because it is gonna manifest itself in bad ways. I agree, Pastor Bob. So, and youre the chairman of your board. But lets talk about since were talking about the media, Willow Creek had unbelievable resources at its disposal, right. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. Today, Telling the Truthis heard anytime and anywhere, thanks to international radio programming, the internet, and our mobile app. David Jankowski. One of those women is Vonda Dyer. Posted by Jonathan Deatherage on Apr 02, 2019. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. And my understanding was the elder board set some boundaries for Clinton to be able to come and speak. There were some areas or some some critical times when things could have gone differently, but the elders caved in essence to Bill Hybels. Thank you for joining us in seeing to it that no one misses the grace of God. Im so glad that theyre godly men like you serving. I think it took courage and boldness on his part to be able to do that. That night we had a guest speaker come in for a special presentation. I had no idea what to expect as this lone man stood on the stage. I attended Willow for seven years. If youre looking for a car I encourage you to visit my friends at Marquardt of Barrington. It grows on the vanilla orchid, and it only grows in really exotic places like Tahiti, and there are some places in Mexico it grows too, but what is unique about the vanilla orchid is when it blooms, its got to be pollinated within one day. and so I almost feel like the elder boards are there to keep the honest person honest. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. In the late 1990s, Telling the Truth was blessed with opportunities to expand the broadcasts overseas with a newly formed Christian radio station in London, Premier Christian Radio, which today remains the only Christian station across the entire United Kingdom, with 1.2 million weekly listeners. And Im good friends with her husband Scott Dyer as well. God is doing a new work both in the lives of the Briscoe's and in the life of Bent Tree. One of those is that you had your senior pastor resign kind of suddenly. Oh Well, and I appreciate your service to the church. Absolutely horrible. A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. The priests who cross the street, right? Yeah, without using any names. This was an excellent interview and elders need to read this interview. Well, I want to turn our discussion to what youve experienced at your own church, which is a multi-site mega church there in the Dallas Fort Worth area, because those are things where youve been able to apply some of these lessons that youve learned from watching the negative example maybe of Willow Creek, youve learned an awful lot from going through crisis at your own church. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. And something else that you mentioned about the board, which I found fascinating was that the Willow Creek board had an awful lot of lawyers on it. Lets say you have you have six or eight members who are saying, Guys, we need to fire this person. Subscribe Sign up for my daily email devotionals and to stay in touch! But theres a sense that the Church of Jesus Christ Universal is represented all throughout not just the United States but the world. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. Julie, thats whats so interesting about this story to me as I got deeper into it, I started to understand That, you know, when you go to the movies, and you see a story, you expect, okay, that guys the villain. I want to thank Pete too for advocating for women participating fully in leadership and for Libby modeling what it means to be a true helper (ezer kenegdo). They made a lot of friends a lot of money over the years selling books, promoting programs, platforming them at conferences, platforming them at the Global Leadership Summit. Hes also the chairman of the elder board and his own church, Bent Tree Fellowship. Why is it that nobody outside a very small group of women who had no power, really no position, why didnt others come to their rescue? To me, Bill did not come across as a predator, flirty or suggestive with women. And so I do think its a healthy thing when youre afraid of doing wrong, because it will be brought up and you will be held accountable. But the thing that was so shocking to me, is that Bill Hy Hybels was the first pastor I had ever seen be so vulnerable from the pulpit. Right? Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. Yeah, I think youre gonna be waiting a while. Judson is located just 36 miles outside Chicago on a beautiful 90 acre campus. Its designed to be fought asymmetrically. "For many of you, he was preacher, pastor, mentor or friend. And its designed to be acretive, right that they gain strength over time. Its my understanding that was a watershed moment. I dont know. I dont know. You know, when you have somebody like Bryan Loritts, who when hes talking about why when he was at a former church, he didnt disclose to the church that they had a sexual predator among them for six months. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? Likewise. Now, God is leading our friend and leader Pete away from these walls, and we look on with sadness the sadness that comes when a season you love is passing. I think its incredibly dangerous. And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. But other than that, you know, there just werent a lot of people in the larger church speaking and there had to have been a lot of church leaders who knew about what was going on and knew that there were problems with Bill Hybels. They had these Global Leadership Summits. It manifested at the Human Resources level. I was blown away. I think these women would still like to know the answer to that. Happened so often, I quit altogether. And he came back and said, I cant do this anymore.. So, you know, Julie, its really its death by 1000 cuts. I totally agree with you Julie on how I viewed the Clergy and Church growing up. That was my upbringing. For more information just go to JudsonU.edu. Very few. Well, and I hope there are Christian leaders listening to this who take note because is the time of just being silent and thinking that because youre silent, nothing will come back on you, thats past. And some of it also involved a culture that was willing to cover for wrongdoing. And while youre at it, wed really appreciate it if you help us spread the word about the podcast by leaving a review and then please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. How do we deal with claims of sexual abuse? Its biblical. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. Thank you so much. And it turns out there were a lot more women who had been affected by Bill Hybels. I think, as believers, we should be standing for truth, we should not look the other way. Also I want to let you know that Judson University is planning to resume in person classes this fall for traditional transfer and adult students and its still not too late to apply. Pete has offered to He, Becky and their kids have been part of the fabric of BT for so long, it is And I thought, I think I knew what he was doing when he named it that, but heres why I think its so ironic. Jesus said, I call you My friend. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. And its pervasive, and people are, theyre using it. When you have a woman who says I was molested by a staff member, or you have a staff member who says, Bill Hybels just threw a punch at me, or dog cuts me up and down the hallway, those arent matters of policy, Julie. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. I was blown away. That way, youll never miss an episode. At the end of the day the aftermath of destruction is felt on so many levels by so many people and we all react differently in our humanness. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. Its all a Business and Power tool and stage for Virtue Signaling. And this is one of the I think exciting things. I dont know the answer but rampant clergy abuse just took my discontentment to a whole new level. Guest Bios Show Transcript Spiritual abuse has become an increasingly hot topic, as more and more stories of bully pastors and hyper-controlling, Guest Bios Show Transcript After years spent in an abusive church, how do you heal? Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray Yeah, that is super dangerous. I have been a child of God since I was four and in ministry most of my life. Serving in the role of elder is a huge responsibility. And I think Christian leaders need to start stepping up. Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. I think youre absolutely right about that. He has been married to Jill for more than 59 years and has three children and 13 grandchildren. This was something that was very deeply ingrained in their culture. But heres what happened when Scot criticized them publicly. Like if you go back and you actually read his books line-on-line, there are some things in there in those books where you go, For a pastor, that should be unacceptable. But he was attenuating his church culture and culture at large to him in his behavior. Theyre involved in their own issue right now. Theyre not holding anybody accountable then. Well Mitch, one of the things Ive never discussed is that we used to attend Willow Creek. And which really makes me sad because theyve had a change in leadership. Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. Yeah, my understanding of that of the history has come from interviewing witnesses, talking to people who have served in those roles and hearing their stories at Willow. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth's media outreach. I think the larger the platform, the more rigorous the accountability needs to be. Pete Briscoe, our pastor at our church came out in support of the Dyers, which was bold, and it was brave. Scott Dyer was the worship pastor at Bent Tree Bible fellowship. So, Mitch, how is it that a lawyer from Texas ended up representing victims of sexual harassment at a mega church in Chicago? I think one of the ways that Willow tried to reckon with the situation was to permit Bill Hybels to retire from his role at the church. Thats a rhetorical question. And I was sitting in my office one day and Vonda picked up the phone and gave me a call and kind of told me what was coming down the pike in terms of the Chicago Tribune article that basically lit the fuse on that entire situation at Willow. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. I followed the Harvest situation, which I think is its own it, you know, separate facts. I did live it. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. Leave them alone. I can see the elders (more than half of which were women), and people in general saying, It was only a hug. So your pastor, he chose himself to step down, correct? Thats a bad default state. What is it that causes so many people who know better, to look the other way and allow evil to prosper? A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. The small tape recording process drew the attention of many people who were eager for a copy of the teaching they heard at church to share with friends and neighbors. And yet, when these issues started being raised about Bill Hybels, the larger church, other than you know, a few people you mentioned the Ortbergs, for example, they came forward and spoke. If they have the character to lead the accountability will help keep them you know, keep them honest, so to speak, you know, its kind of like when you put a bike lock on your bike that. Lawyer for Bill Hybels Victims Shares Inside Story. And its not something you can control like traditional mainstream media. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. So as we part ways, let us make the departure sweet. And in the few times Ive spoken with him, I found his insights to be profound. Thats not to say there arent authentic people there. At that age, I had never had someone in spiritual authority lie or manipulate me. And so, you know, as a lawyer on the board, youre not absolved from the obligation of complying with the mandates of Scripture. They were almost sacred and benevolent and unable to do wrong. Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. How are you? So Im guessing youre not against lawyers being on board. It is not a program is not a set of services. So I want you to think about this while you know Bill Hybels is being accused of doing awful things by a dozen women. Boy, and if more churches did that, how much pain and heartache among the sheep would have been spared? Okay. I would love to see Chicago experience revival. And that set the course for some of these more severe things to continue happening, and then to even get more and more severe. Thats what he was. It is. Well, again, Joining me today is Mitch Little a partner with Scheef & Stone in Frisco, Texas. Although theres been some. That nonprofit corporation and its bank accounts, thats not what the biblical church is. Its really pride. And then everyone could say, Oh, how sad that that one person did that one thing. Right. Im wary of the theatrical, evangelical stars that are so prevalent now. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. And I could explain why I think thats funny, but you have to have extreme accountability, the larger your platform gets. Theres another circumstance that I became aware of where The board had a 360 Review done on Hybels and his leadership and some problems they were experiencing with his management style from, you know, bullying, abusive style. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Senior pastors dont need advocates. Okay. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. We were talking a little bit about the elder board. I cant do this authentically anymore. And as hard as the last year and a half has been, I applaud him for that. So Mitch, thank you so much for taking the time to join me today. Briscoe stepped down as senior pastor at the end of 2000 but remained involved in the church and active in overseas missions. I dont think that he caused the elder board to resign. And Harvest was the same thing. Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. But I guess this is the question so many are asking is, Can anybody be in those kind of jobs with the kind of responsibility that is put on one human, one person to lead thousands of people? And so many looking to him for vision for leadership for everything. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Yet, Scripture and to how to teach it became new and deep and exciting every week as I listened to Pete in the short three years I have been at Bent Tree. 1 talking about this. Absolutely. Powerful ministry at some points. I think ultimately, we are still kind of under the inertia of a culture that was fomented by Pete Briscoe, which was a culture of goodness, a culture of grace and its still carrying forward under that momentum. Not so much at Willow till after, because I was so wrapped up in the Harvest stuff at that time and the Moody stuff that I didnt really have the capability or the bandwidth to do much reporting about Willow. Hes one of the good guys. However, whenever he would do that quavering voice, etc., I would wonder how he could do that for all three identical services? How do you get people to come to church when there are more authentic people in the bars? Yes, I would view it far differently today. I think it took courage. These are people that may be in the cubicle next to you at work, who have an acuity for blending in to normal life. How do you recommend searching worth while places to donate too? And we need to start on the work of reconciliation and repentance now. And you have two or three board members who go, I dont think so, they did nothing. He said, Pete, you should have one lawyer on your board but not more than one. And I believe that there is some really sound wisdom in that. Pete was preaching from Hebrews, and he was making the New Covenant come alive before all of us. Can you imagine how many books that sold her? Its a calling of God. Well, since you brought it up, youre gonna youre gonna have to address the Vanilla Bean. Well, I tried other churches and its more of the same. (See page 54 and following) I encourage you to start praying again and trust God to open doors for you in godly and meaningful fellowship. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. And so when I looked at that in the context of James MacDonald going, you know what, thats the type of accountability that man needed and was denied. Yeah, I just saw you ran a story on MacDonalds massive mansion in Illinois being held in the name of Vanilla Bean LLC. "For many of you, he was preacher, pastor, mentor or friend. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. So since youve seen a lot of this kind of up close and personal through talking to witnesses and elders and staff people, how bad was the abuse at Willow Creek? Jill I And I can only imagine what the economic forces are behind the scenes for that, but it really disappoints me, that that hasnt happened. If you go back through Willow Creeks archives, you can see all the, you know, the authors of books who came in and were platformed at Willow Creek. It is what manifests. And I think that Bill Hybels created an advocacy structure around him by having that many lawyers on the board. Board members selected in such a way are unlikely to honor their fiduciary duty ahead of their desire to please the board chairman or senior pastor. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. Funny, whenever I would watch Bill Hybels preach online or speak at the GLS, and he would go into that quavering voice, tears-in-his-eyes, emotional mode, Id stop listening. You know, I think, Julie, the other thing that was really whacked out about Willows elder board, and I didnt find this out until very late in the representation was they operated by design out of unanimity. So you caught them before that anything actually happened? Literally thousands of people have come to know Jesus under Bill Hybels teaching and yet, he was morally bankrupt at the same time. I am thrilled to be here. I know for a fact that his article was circulated among the staff at Willow, and they crossed the Rubicon of credulity. Its about serving God. Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. And thankyou for all you do in the NAME of JESUS! And he realized that he had missed an opportunity to share Christs love with this person, and he didnt even feel worthy to give this message tonight, you know, and he got teared up and, and Im watching this, you know, as a 20, early 20 something right? And we need to apologize. I think that was a move of God, a move of the Holy Spirit. I know the owners Dan and Kurt Marquart personally, and I can say without reservation that they truly run their business with honesty, integrity and transparency. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. Pete has offered to Those are the good guys. And the people in this story are complex characters. Hes a complex character. Hes like, I wasnt trying to protect the man, who by chance was his brother in law. I was a member of WCCC for many years. Now, I coach pastors and business leaders in communications and self-care. And that that was something that taught you an awful lot about how elder board should deal with sexual impropriety or sexual abuse within their own walls. But its an analog. Its a serious analog for what happened at Willow. The other thing I wanted to talk to you about in you mentioned this in earlier discussion we had about the identity of elders and how so often, and I dont think its just elders, I think its a lot of the senior pastor leadership and staff that their identity tends to become enmeshed with the success or failure of the organization theyre a part of. Yeah, they eventually did. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. And the thing about predators, Bill Hybels included, okay, is they start to do more things in public to condition you to behavior that is inappropriate, and they test their boundaries, to see what they can get away with. Was there any evidence found that he actually had an affair? 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