Australia has its problems but at least its normal there. New Zealand is a close second, but the earthquakes and parochialism relegate it for me Im afraid. Think carefully. It was kind of sad, even more so when I look back in it. Then she moves back because Theres no place like Home !! I love how this article is so well structured. We have a shitty secondary education system and a generation of younger people who think that the world owes them something. This results in you learning to cook a variety of world dishes. Learn more. Complete and utter rubbish. I apologised and ran out crying, feeling desperate and marginalised. Do you have any questions or suggestions? My parents came here to give, not just take - as my ex-husband and I did in Australia and Singapore. Hi Lena, it took a lot of courage to say all these things. There are lots of things that could be better in the UK, like the NHS funding, but overall it's a fantastic country to live in and even though I'm a foreigner, I felt obliged to step in and add my 2 cents :). we miss home but home is empty.. I hope you have a wonderful life in your new home! The difference here is that a small number of bigoted people are using racist rhetoric to manipulate the masses. I went through the whole British educational system. Brits live in the illusion that its great here but in reality its a shithole. Prices in London: "Unless you share your accommodation, you are extremely rich or live in a partnership with someone, you can't essentially live in London". Too many people taking out, not enough putting in enough. Dude, seriously, you're really shooting yourself in the foot here. Reading this gave me a peace of mind. That is very sweet of you. As to Philip de Boses' pathetic comment about the British being cowards - are you French by the way? How can I decide??? That so many immigrants come to the UKcomplain about itgo country hopping and then come back, says a lot about Britain, British culture.. and those people. This is a wonderful piece. We are a married couple with no children, heavily focused on work. Britain is the best example of what it's like to have a split personality. Whilst change is always hard and my parents went through a lot to.come to the uk at least in the 50s it was controlled immigration. -Culture- WHAT EXACTLY ? For all of the previous eras' racism, the opportunities and quality of life were much higher for the fewer immigrants that came here. They showed me a name. Nothing to do with skin colour or ethnicity (as once was), it's about money and yes, class. I wish you all the luck. I have never lived in UK. Stop running it down, we didn't ask you to come here and complain about everything. The termites have eaten the soul of a beautiful country. I say we invest more into the NHS and social welfare. Hope you will make it to Canada someday. Bye. Somehow strongly connected with the point above, there is the problem of the land management in the UK. Or at least it was before the Brexit idea, but more on this a later in this article. This puts us into conflict with other countries that want to keep us in our place and some people find this a shock to the system compared to their home country. Monthly rent for 85 m2 (900 Sqft) furnished accommodation in NORMAL area 1.696 In the British television series Misfits, the character of Kelly Bailey is presented as a stereotypical chav. My hubby and I left the UK in 2013 for the same reasons. I wish you happiness :), I got in Uk 17 years ago , a child 20 at that time ,didnt know what the future holds .Moving on , two children now, a house in mortgages, and a difficult financial situation. But thinking back to recent trips abroad I've just brushed it off as "holiday syndrome" when I've thought about how much happier other places seemed to be! They still believe in the purity of Japanese blood and parents discourage mixed marriage. We are the first of the G7 countries to require zero CO2 emission by law. There weren't any. That changed everything. As much as you might like the rain (and I already said that I vehemently love the rain), it eventually gets to you. In my own experience though I have found the North to be a lot more racist than the South. Utilities 1 month (heating, electricity, gas ) for 2 people in 85m2 flat 154. Plus with the stupid spellings now some parents choose, who knows how they're spelled!!! I cannot find decent veggies and fruit that do not cost a fortune most times. You can purchase anything your heart desires from the supermarket. Thank you for writing a well-structured article. Well, if you are going to Japan things won't be easy there is much more difficult to integrate in Japan than UK, you are really targeting difficult countries, but is your choice. I always turn up to a new place eager to learn about the culture, and with romantic views about the entire city/country. The UK blames, as you said, hard-working Poles, Romanians, and now the whole EU. Unfortunately there are a lot of uncultured and racist people in the UK, its so disappointing. However, the term, 'chav' is quite specific. I think the only city I like during my entire UK trip is Edinburgh, the architecture there is just so stunning and it is completely different culture from England. No, I haven't experienced any racism here in North Yorkshire. Why live like that if you don't have to! I find it comic you mention Elon Musk aiding Trump because Musk is an immigrant who IS born in Pretoria, South Africa who grew up in Canada (again, not America) and THEN came to America. I am not a young person but to find work in Canada is miserably difficult unless you live in a major City. Thank you for letting us know. It is people like you, with no allegiance or true connection with the UK, in other words pure economic migrants, nothing more, that are bring this country to its knees and have made it an awful place to live. -Cuisine- LOL. We've left again. Public transport is expensive in the UK, but it is because our planning laws are tough and protect the delicate environment here and peoples wishes. Yet, almost 9 Million (!) Accommodation: yeah, pretty expensive to be fair :). But I'm not shocked. We're able to save a lot of money every month and are homeowners. Mainly in connection with Public Service jobs and the Commonwealth. It's not as simple though that everyone voting leave agrees with Farage and Boris. As you might have gathered, my husband is Hungarian. That's a really nice and honest article. Gloucester has been featured on a popular website dedicated to 'chav towns'. [33] The Times has referred to the character as "[a] chavvish girl",[34] and the character has been said to possess a "chav accent". That is what Brexit is all about: fighting back against this invasion. The Weather There are a lot of benefits to having so much rain in the UK. The core of the British kitchen is the oven, as you might already know from the Great British Bake Off. This is not the case in the UK. Oh, and I don't know what 'self-sufficant' is - perhaps you were trying to say 'self-sufficient'? This didn't stop me, though, I persevered until I got accepted. These people come here and claim free medical care. This was an interesting read, I really enjoyed this article. I always strive to do better. Great post other than the politics! Yes, it does rain here a lot, but given water shortages will be one of the biggest threats to world peace, I would take a bit more rain over a dry country any day of the week. You can't have a first worldly state and have open borders. 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In all honesty, once upon a time, I would have laughed at such article. We also didn't think it would happen but were pleased that we had left after the results were announced! Is there an article of apology that I have missed? Please read again . Say anything uncomfortable, let's scream 'racist.' Britain was built on pure evil and racism. something changed. Hi James and Cory, I had to work lots of overtime to buy food and pay for my transport to work, I was working 65+ hours a week just to survive. The South East of England is *bursting*. We were fantasising about walking on a beach somewhere and eating fresh fruits. If you still believe this is not possible, take me and my husband as examples. I know exactly how you feel as me & my husband are going through the same. You see, I actually love the pace in London. Ridiculously so in comparison to other countries, and that is the problem. Outside brilliant minds are no longer welcome to contribute to the Great British societies and money is being invested in privatisation and corporations as opposed to a stable economy, educated, informed and healthy population. With my partner we feel the same and are struggling with hate/ underestimation and xenophobia in London for a long time. Lovely. On the other hand education and public health work much better than in Chile, this is very good because people can access good services regardless of their economic situation. The above are the results of my experience and my experience alone. Many people don't have a voice but you gave them a voice. Or notice that Spain anaisd other places are full of Brit expats.Should people bully them too? Trust me, live as a black person in Italy or Greece, or a Muslim in Colombia or Argentina for a while and you will really understand racism. But personally I just don't think I really want to stay long term in a country without a summer lol also the drinking culture is so unhealthy. No school for my kids.. All too expensive. I can accept Brexit and people being bored of foreginers, it's understandeable. I've been back 18 months and I can see these issues, without any dogma of ideology. The term floated about beforehand, but in the 2000s it was on steroids. What about equality between all European nations who wanted to live in a great union? Just read her response to Hector to read what a superior and condescending attitude she has. The bank need to ensure that the account is not been used for proceeds from crime or they can face heavy fines, this obviously takes more verification for foreign nationals. Hi Rachel, I hope your move will go well. We are excited to have started our adventure, and we don't regret leaving the UK. Hi Cory, Many Thanks for this amazing post, it is the most realistic picture of UK currently. [11], In his 2011 book, Chavs: The Demonization of the Working Class, Owen Jones argued that the word is an attack on the poor. Rest assured, we are doing wonderful. I had a really interesting reaction reading this. Hi Laura, We would absolutely love to visit St Helena Island one day. English culture is a thing, it has been for centuries, changing with time, adapting to new ways of life. Cultures are preserved. I'd rather stay here in Lisbon. My husband and I made the big move from Australia to the US in 2015. Answer (1 of 9): Hello Ian Kent and welcome to Quora. France thought about it. As an example of how the problem was always there yet less visible I worked in a digital agency for a while where it was only British people who worked there and all of the women were de facto secretaries for the men, even though their roles were much more complex than this. This is a great comment which brings a lot more perspective. Italy will still have pizza, Portugal will still have pastel de nata and the UK will continue to have its pies. If I would move, it would be to Barcelona. Cory published her first book on Japanese customs and manners, because she's obsessed with everything Japan. Also, the "nicest" areas of the UK are not where the jobs are (Cornwall, Lake District, North Wales etc), whereas in Germany within 1 hour of Munich you're in the Alps, or 1 hour of Frankfurt you're in the middle of wine country. By 2004, the word was used in national newspapers and common parlance in the UK. You could also argue that for an aging population, a young, able bodied workforce coming here wanting to work is exactly what the country needs. James, how much did university education cost before 2010? I lived in so many countries and I tend to very sociable, open and tolerant. I know exactly how you feel. There are too many issues which make the UK a depressing place to be. It's just that we wanted to experience something a little different for a while. Britain is a small island and we value our green space, which has been eroded over the years through over development. But I wanted to show this country that I respect its traditions, its cultures and its laws. What !!!!??? Yes i still travel as it is my passion but I no longer see it as the fix for life's problems.Goodluck to you all in this journey of life. It is interesting hearing these thoughts coming from someone that has immigrated to the UK, tried to integrate to your best ability and come to terms with the fundamental problems this country faces - even down to the petty and subjective nature of these things, like how you spell "Stacy". [9], Besides referring to loutish (ill-mannered) behaviour, violence, and particular speech patterns (all of which are stereotypes), the chav stereotype includes wearing branded designer sportswear,[14] which may be accompanied by some form of flashy gold jewellery otherwise termed as "bling". I went to uk last month and fell in love with portsmouth seaview and brighton, and my boyfriend told after the trip we wants to go to UK! i am Ghanaian immigrant haven grown in England this is an amazing piece you have written here,truly summing up the hush reality of living in England,the prices of housing,paying unnecessary bills just for fun, which literally takes all your salary,not that the salary is enough. My Portuguese friend said the Portuguese just want to live in the beach, but the Brits try to be something more than they are. Of course it's not right to blame violent, chavs in Birmingham who are 13 and 14 but bully their whole cities, and people who're ready to live off dole, or Saudi's (who, in fact, funded the SHARD in London) or Russian mobsters who get in the UK because of weapons trade and have a lot of money which the UK needs. Do you see? However, there are few things which surfaced with this whole Brexit situation. UK is my dream after watching Harry Potter movies (call me silly or what), and then this trip just ruined it. What an awesome post! It's not true about the weather at all! People like you make me all the more happier that Leave and Trump won, and you know, those liberal leftie tears are so very sweet! A spokeswoman said, "With slogans from characters in shows such as Little Britain and The Catherine Tate Show providing us with more and more contemporary slang, our "Whatever" sweets now nicknamed chav hearts have become very popular with kids and grown-ups alike. Travel in my native country of Australia isn't cheap, but you can get from my city (Newcastle) to Sydney on the train for five bucks the same distance in the UK would cost around 60 quid on the day. In the end, I left my job at Apple, moved to Bristol, got a new job with a digital startup, met my future husband, formed our own company, started travelling the world, became British citizens, got married and here we are. Its all about perspective I guess. In addition, I think there are other significant and perhaps more substantial factors that are playing into this hostility, namely, the rise of religious fanaticism, fundamentalism and its debate in Britain. I heard the US is a wonderful country and despite its issues, if it makes you feel like home, then it is home. Pity really, the UK used to be OK. Since Thatcher, weve moved away from this, making education a major financial burden in a marked departure from the policies of other, more far-sighted Northern countries. 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