Thanks so much for your guidance Paul, much appreciated! I hate that it doesnt have armrests, but the red/black color is sweet. All of these machines seem to be comparable to each other but of course theyre a lot of money and I definitely want to make the right choice. Any advice you can give on each for a residential lawn? If your lot is very rough and you want to mow parts of it only a few times a year its the best choice. I also use the mulcher in the fall for leaves. Yes, there are many good ZTRs when you get up in the 6K price range. The Ikon XLs blades will last 3-5 years or longer and youll only need to sharpen them once a year. The equivalent Bab Boy is the 60 Inch. Yes, I know pretty anal. Now that spring has come and gone (i live in georgia) everything has grown back up.. so i just want to make sure it would be ok 2 cut again with a mower since its pretty tall weeds and stuff or does it have to be bush hogged again? Appreciate the input. Best ride and cut NOT as important as longevity and ease of maintenance. However, the ride didnt seem much better than my Husqvarna tractor (my neighbor doesnt have the upgraded seat), and the price is out of my range. The Radius E is the entry-level commercial Exmark. Several years ago you helped me purchase my Craftsman Pro Series 42 riding mower. Hi Thomas, The Big Dog Alpha is a Hustler Raptor painted red. My understanding is he was originally a part owner in Bad Boy mowers he didnt like the direction Bad Boy was heading so he started his own brand of ZTRs. The Toro is the highest-rated. Thanks Paul for the quick response. I know you dont recommend buying used but Im looking at a Deere Z930M with 300 hours. Dealer did mention that Cub Cadet is the hottest mower they sell now, even though he had a Toro shirt on ha ha. I have about 1 acre of mowable grass. We do also have a local Hustler dealer, but Im not familiar with what theyve got. John Deere Z530M (Local Dealer) Here is my review: Cub Cadet hauler Ill put a picture below. . I need a ZTR that can perform well on slopes. The grasshopper has a hydraulic deck lift and a few others have electric. I suggest mulching your leaves in the fall. Hi John, Sorry, I too busy with movingsnow.com and helping my daughter move into their new house. He is very hard on the mower (over 150 trees to mow around) and its held up very well. As I look at prices for what I can get for a 50 with Toro and Ariens it looks like I can get either at around $3100 which is $400 more than what 42 V-Twin costs. Hi Paul, Use the side discharge until June or so. Appreciate the in depth insight on the towing/tongue weight. Hi Larry, There is nothing wrong with the Toro or ExMark except the sales didnt meet Toros expectations. I was looking at a 52 Ariens Ikon XD and the dealer is trying to convince me I would be happier with a Gravely ZT XL due to the upgraded transmission better warranty and superior construction. I hope you find a good dealer to work with and enjoy the mower you decide on. The deck also sits out front so you can trim under stuff and with the 48-inch deck, it will trim right around fence post and landscaping without leaving anything to trim. 6. The Ariens IKON XL 42 comes to mind. I have had a few power toys like 4 wheelers and things with engines made in China that havent held up. Hydraulic belt tensioners so your drive belt lasts 10 times longer than the other brands. Country Clipper Boulevard (deck tilt) Others buy or lease a new machine every two-four years and then do nothing to it. Thinking about the Deere 345r but worried the bagger will just get plugged all the time. BTW Did you have a chance to look at the Bradley frame compared to the Bobcat? If I stay with a 50 Im trying to decide between the toro mx5000, the zt1 50, or the ikon x 52. Hi Paul, Thanks so much for the reply. Paul, I see that a local dealer and Home Depot have the same mower for this. Been insightful for sure. Best in class seating( bad back) and have 4 to 5 acres to mower. The new Toro Titan and the Cub Cadet XT2 will give you a much longer life. There is also the Z525E but I keep reading about the Tuff Torq hydros burning up after the 2 yr warranty :(. We are finally in the position to invest in a new mower and we are considering the 2020 Husqvarna Power Zero Turn Mowers Commercial M-ZT61 Kawasaki (967 17 70-08), $7,000. This will be handy for my open / flat areas Decent engine, decent transmissions and built well. A friend says I should get a Kubota that will last the rest of my life. IronForged Deck 24.5 HP Commercial V-Twin Gas Dual Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Riding Mower Available at The Home Depot Also available at Tractor Supply, ACME Tools and your local Toro Dealer. Hi Jack, for that much lawn I suggest a high-end residential or entry-level commercial mower. However, I can live without mulching. Hello and thank you for all of the information that you have enlightened all of us with in reference to ztr mowers. The other half is generally flat (this is the back, and the lower portion of the front). Watch this video: Paul hope all is well. Thanks for all the great info here. Toro TITAN 60" / Model 75313. Im not sure if Havener/Bradley would be buying decks and frames from Schiller/Bob Cat but Ill check next time I talk to them. Patented Dual Deck Support Isolators helps minimize damage from side impacts. I prefer the 50 inch model because the deck sticks out the side farther which makes it easier to trim around stuff. The Ariens IKON XL and Gravely ZTXL (Same machine) are good choices. The APEX is one of those mowers that it a solid step up from the MZ61. Check out my article here on the Toro Titan. We have one here and my wife has been trying to break it for over two years. The Magnum is an OK mower but I read a lot of reviews and you either get a good one or one that has continuous issues. Great point about the extra torque for hills. By the way, The Gravely ZT X/Ariens IKON XD are the same price as these and I really like them also! Husqvarna has two brands, Poulan Pro and Jonsered, that they use for retail sales and if they dont want to overpopulate an area with Husqvarna dealers. 2. I would also want to avoid overly sensitive control bars. The Toro fab deck cuts better and the Toro will also pull more but overall the Cub Cadet is one of my top choices for a 42-inch ZTR. The dealer will be glad to sharpen and balance them while its in for the tune-up. Fab 24.5 HP V-Twin Gas Dual Hydrostatic Zero Turn Riding Mower, One final item. Toro TimeCutter MX Mulch Kit. Hi Deb, A year ago Bobcat the skid loader company purchased Bob-Cat mowers from Schuler Industries. The back third is one long, flat, but fairly steep hillside, with a uniform slope at around 14-15 degrees, with one small section or dip that reaches 20 degrees. Have you any recommendations on those? Both have heavy-duty fabricated decks and Kohler/Kawasaki engines. A cheaper belt is a cheaper belt. Do you have an aftermarket blade recommendation for use with a mulch kit, other than the OEM blades that cub cadet sells? The other local Toro dealer is Ace Hardware. Both mowers are good residential machines but I will have to say the Bobcat is a little more heavy-duty and it also will ride over rougher lawns better. GREAT website. The Toro is harder to work on. Yes, the Joystick does take a little practice but its actually a lot easier to use than lap bars and not as tiring. Q: What are your thoughts about transmissions with and without charge pumps? Its the 48 inch Bradley Stand-On. 7. Which models might you suggest? It will ruin your engine! I was able to test drive the 2016. I was thinking of the Toro Timecutter 75742. Youll never wear out the ZT 3400s on your lawn. It is a pretty smooth lawn, with about 8 trees and a lot of bed lines to cut along in the front half of the lawn. The Walkers best feature is its agility when trimming. That said, I dont recommend it for rough bumpy lawns and especially not areas like your 1 1/2 acres that you dont mow every week. The ONLY difference between the ZT2100 and ZT2200 is the 2100 has 3/4 inch axles (900 lb capacity) and the 2200 has 1-inch axles (1000) capacity. 54-62 inch Heavy-Duty Fabricated Deck - Up To 10 acres or more Ariens Zenith Toro TITAN 54 in. I also noticed that once you like their facebook page their advertising will start to show up in your regular news feed and a lot of those ads talk about sales. The Kawasaki option does not seem to be available unless I want to order through a big box store. Mowing about 1.2 acres. (all those clipping need someplace to go and raising the deck up will let them drop into the grass) They will both work flawlessly on your normal lawn. Dual hydrostatic transmission. The blades can be sharpened many times before they need to be replaced. Price-wise the Gravely is more but you get proportionately more. That mower should be in the $2700 range and the fact you have to spend an EXTRA $160 for a hitch is ridiculous. They are designed for nice lawns so the deck height is a little harder to adjust. Comes down to maybe the paint color. Im leaning towards a 42 inch deck for either mower I choose. Toro Premium Fuel Treatment helps ensure clean, reliable engine performance and protection. With 10 acres and horse pasture, go with the Apex. Pay, particular attention to the uncrating and setting up section of the manual. Again, I suggest mowing at 4 inches and then mow in the late afternoon. The two biggest problems for the Briggs Intek is slopes and dirt. (see it here at the Home Depot) It will have the weight to give you great traction along the drainage ditch. Id guess were actually mowing 75% of the acre. 22.5 HP Toro TimeCutter. Its a much lighter weight mower than the Toro or Cub Cadet. The mower has a 10cc hydraulic pump and an incorporated motor unit. Hi Daron, If you do a lot of towing the Toro TimeCutter is the best choice in that price range. Their XLT, Challenger and Charger mowers a built very well, have very strong decks and deck support. How do these compare to the new Ariens? 1. What do you think about the Craftsman 42 inch Steering wheel zero turn. (These seem to appear mostly on commercial units). Remove the deck belt (you may want to remove the deck) spin each blade. There are a lot of parts to install and youll need a helper to get all the bolts installed and tightened. I enjoy mowing regularly (so Im looking forward to the fun of a ZTR). Thanks for the quick reply. Q: How hot do these transmissions get? I know the Ariens/Gravely has zt-3100 hydros. I primarily side discharge the clippings during the summer months but do mulch all of my leaves in the fall. Triple layer spindle support. This is Walkers first-ever residential mower. I like the build quality of this mower, the cut quality, and I can easily recommend it for 2-3 acres. I am looking to purchase a 60 ztr to mow 3 acres of mostly flat yard. Appreciate all the help and insight. Yes, I like the Ariens but if you put the Ariens and Country Clipper side-by-side youll go with the Clipper. There a many good brands but Ive used SeaFoam for years and its always worked well. The APEX is a heavy-duty mower and I strongly feel it can handle most any lawn. I can get on and off without the rail, but it involves using the deck as a step, which the dealer says is fine. I know you really like the Toro units. Now I just need to decide if Im willing to swallow that $1300 price difference for the Walker over the Clipper! BTW If you look at the photos of both standers, the Bobcat frame / deck does look nearly identical (look at the caster arms, deck, deck suspensions). So, well see if they last. I went and looked at it last Saturday and got to drive it around the parking lot. I sat on the Cub and found my right knee may hit the lap-bar when using the deck-lift peddle even though the bars adjust. The 50-inch size will get the lawn mowed quickly. Hi Adam, When the Husqvarna MZ came out 10 years ago there were very few ZTRs in the high residential/entry level pro category but today there are many more that have stronger frames, better cutting decks and ride better. But much of the remaining hillside (15 degree slope) ends at a tree line, so mowing straight up and down requires that I make turns on the hill. Not sure if there is a limit on the amount or not. They made a few improvements and painted them white. But you are saying that isnt the case? Probably could pull the cart full of rocks easily for a long time. And I usually just side discharge, but a mulching option and a bagging option would always be nice. 3. Thoughts? 9. What is your experience with robotic mowers? Robotic Mowers. Scag has also been around for a long time and the larger mowers are very popular with landscape contractors. Do you know of any difference between the ones you get from the dealer and the big box stores? Cub Cadet Hauler | There are cheap yard carts, good carts and just plain junk. Is it okay to buy from BB stores if you take good care of the machine? Hi Pete, The Toro is very easy to work on. Hi Joe, that would be the Ariens IKON XD 52. I bought a Hustler FasTrack thinking it was going to be my last mower. They are called the ZT XL and ZT HD. Many commercial operators go back to the 30-36 inch walk-behinds because the small standers just arent that great. Come and get it in Northern Wisconsin. Do you need it for mowing 2.5-3 acres of lawn every week? Yes, my 1.5 acres does have slopes. I know the Pro Z might be a little much for a residential mower but Im willing to pay $1400 more for the upgraded mower, providing the Kohler Motor is reliable and the transmission with charge pumps will add longer life to transmissions. Do you have a suggestion for the engine choice, Toro twin 24.5 hp or Kohler 22hp? The driveshaft is more durable than the Grasshoppers. Its built like a tank, rides well and cuts very well. Thanks in advance! The Kohler Confidant is a commercial engine. We have John Deere, Hustler, Bad Boy, Kubota, Husqvarna, and Grasshopper dealers, as well as stores such as Lowes, Home Depot, and Tractor Supply which carry other brands. A lot of deck designs have a harmonic vibration at certain speeds. 25 cu. Toro Titan MAX 60 in. The alternative is the MX6050. Thank you so much for the insight. There are more parts to wear out on the Ferris and that bouncing can give you an uneven cut after a few years. Your dealer also carries more Husqvarna products that are not sold at retailers. I have it professionally serviced last July and informed them of the issue. This is no small amount, so you have to be sure that you invest your money wisely, both into the machine and into proper maintenance. What direction would you lean? Fab Deck 24 HP Kawasaki FR V-Twin with Roll Over Protection and Front Wheel Suspension Available assembled and delivered through, Ariens APEX 60 Kawasaki Model 991163 60 Cutting Width Kawasaki FR730 engine 24 hp/726cc. Even the new MyRide MX5075 uses the 2200. Also I wonder if they all have 2200 axles, I thought I read that the toro had 2800s. (Since I review mowers I like to keep a fairly new unit here) $3500, 200 hours, very well maintained. Do they really ride that much better? There should be almost no sound. I was suggested to get a zero turn with steering wheel but I am hearing those are being discontinued and then another dealer told me to get the lap bars. Hi Rob, each one has its advantages but they are so close in cut quality and durability the only real difference is the dealer support. They are rated for over 500 hours which for most people equals 2 hours a week for over 10 years. Ive really been eyeing the MX5075 so Im glad you mentioned that one. I live in the upstate of SC, have a mixture of cool season and warm season grasses, and I try to control the crabgrass, dandelions, and other weeds. 1. Am I right Im thinking that the Toro MX5000 has the Hydro Gear 2800 and the Ariens Ikon X has the smaller Hydro Gear 2200? Wanted to get your thoughts on both. If you are mowing one acre and less properties the Walker will be faster overall. Trina Lundblad | Homeowner (Equipment) | 952-887-7146 | trina.lundblad@toro.com. The Kohler EFI and Exmark RED technology give you the power you need when you need it and will also reduce fuel consumption by 20% over other engines. Youll like the Toro and at $1000 less it a great buy. So I scrapped it, and hired someone to do the mowing. Fuel tank capacity of 11.4 litres. The Jonsered tractor is actually a 2014ish Craftsman Yard Tractor. It cuts better and will last longer without any minor or major repairs. Im fine with spending up to $4,000. On the downside, there was feedback that the steering and control of the mower needed getting used to. Hi Paul, have you looked at the new Scag residential zero turn yet? The deck independently rides over bumps, dips, and follows the contour of your lawn exactly. Both are rated for a lawn up to .9 acres and max cutting height of 2.8 inches. Hows the hustler dash, toro timecutter, or the ryobi rider? The small front casters will make it ride rougher than many of the other mowers in that price range. Thank you very much! A zero-turn is the same way, Too much weight on the rear hitch will cause the front end to be light and even lift off the ground going up a hill. The Toros cut is fantastic but Toro and Cub Cadet both offer really good parts availability and local service. 4. It has a normal seat but with the large front and rear tires, it really rides well. Paul, this almost seems like destiny. They look good and could use sharpening but no dents. So, Jonsered, Poulan Pro, and Husqvarna tractors are basically all the same they are just painted different colors. (Home Depot Link) this mower mows well and will handle the ditch. Read more here: How to Support TodaysMower.com, I will list below three different types of residential zero-turn mowers. The mufflers are specd by the application. I also have a tow behind cart I use for hauling dirt, rock and mulch. With a little practice, either one of these mowers will mow your lawn a lot quicker than your 46-inch lawn tractor. I own a JD LX280, which has been a great mower, but I have been looking at a ZTR for a couple years as an addition to the JD. 13,087. When the mower is out of service, should the deck be at a specific height, like all the way up or all the way down? Which do you recommend to have the best cut and ability for the slope? Toro is aimed more towards residential and government use. Im thinking of selling my ExMark Quest 42 inch steering wheel. It built better than the commercial mowers we used 20 years ago. I had a guy come in and clear the wooded area, as it was heavily overgrown. 2. Please Subscribe to my YouTube Channel Please Note:If you click on most of the links in this article and buy any product I will make a small commission from that sale. Have your readers commented on it one way or the other? A good size for snow blowers and push mowers. You do get what you pay for when you move up to the XT2: Larger Front and rear tires. You helped me purchase my last mower which was a 46 Craftsman Pro and it worked out great for our needs at our last home (hills/very few trees). I prefer to deal with local dealers versus the big box stores. The Z-force SX 48 has the 24 HP professional-grade Kawasaki FR Series V-Twin OHV engine. Yes, there are after-market manufacturers that make pull behind leaf vacs but that doesnt mean you should be putting one behind your zero-turn. 679 cc Fuel Injected (EFI) V-Twin Engine Dual Hydro Gas ZeroTurn Riding Mower with Steering Wheel Control. Hi Jim, Instead of waiting for a sale you can always ask the dealer to waive the setup and/or delivery fees. They wanted an engine that would last and one where they could do their own warranty approvals. The dealer I prefer carries both Toro and Ariens, so that is not a factor. These models also ride well but they dont mulch quite as well as the Toro or John Deere. The idler bracket has a habit of wearing out the pivot hole. The Tractor itself is good but they put a cheap Briggs Intek motor in it. John Deere Z530M. If its not cutting well the most likely cause is the deck is not level. Buy at Amazon. Yes, the commercial operators insist on having them but they quickly realize their only advantage is getting into small residential properties. Thank you Paul. 1. I have a rather small yard no more than 1.5 acres but I have a serious spinal cord injury that causes a very painful condition and constant mind numbing back pain so I probably shouldnt cut grass at all but I enjoy it and it allows me to feel productive which is something I miss ever since someones carelessness left me disabled about 4 years back. My current tractor mower is a Husqvarna 46. Will the 42 suffice or should I get 46 or 48. They are mulching blades made for mulching they work wonderfully with mulching kits. The HD models have a significantly heavier frame and transmissions. Im looking to spend around $3k or less for the mower; what would you suggest? I suggest talking to the dealers and picking the mower you like the best from the dealer you like the best. At least not a bone jarring ride. My choices are one of the 42 Toro MyRide (Kohler or Toro engine choice) or a 42 Simplicity Courier with the Kawaski engine. Looking for my first zero turn. By Paul Sikkema. 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